The last two World Cups have not been happy places for England or the fans.
And that mostly comes down to some of the outrageous selection decisions that we had to sit through.
Fabio Capello was the man selecting the 2010 cohort while Roy Hodgson was supposedly given a free hit for the 2014 tournament.
They both had a couple of shockers – here are the most forgettable players to make recent England World Cup squads.
2010 World Cup
1 Stephen Warnock
After coming through at Liverpool, Warnock somehow achieved managed to steal two England caps between his time at Blackburn and Aston Villa.
Fabio Capello decided to bring the left-back ahead of Leighton Baines as back-up to Ashley Cole after a fairly impressive season at Villa Park.
Understandably with Cole doing what he does best, Warnock didn’t get a minute of game time.
We should be counting ourselves lucky.
2 Emile Heskey
Another of that 2009/10 Villa squad who Capello thought would bring World Cup glory to these shores.
Sadly a 32-year-old Heskey wasn’t quite the same striker we knew and loved from his Liverpool days.
Three days after being named in the squad Heskey injured captain Rio Ferdinand in training, ruling him out of the World Cup.
He retired from international football just days after the tournament ended.
Not great, all in all.
3 Matthew Upson
Another 30+ defender taken to South Africa for which it did not end well.
Playing at West Ham at the time, Upson actually came home as England’s joint top scorer in South Africa, with one goal against Germany.
However, he will always be remembered for the defensive fiasco in the 4-1 defeat to the Germans.
Sorry it has to be this way Matt.
2014 World Cup
4 Glen Johnson
Ah, after Capello’s selections in 2010 and the way that worked out surely new manager Hodgson is going to take this seriously?
Johnson was rightly taken to South Africa at right-back but sadly we hadn’t found a Gary Neville replacement by 2014 and he was taken anyway.
He did get an assist for Wayne Rooney against Uruguay but, like England’s tournament as a whole, the rest was largely forgettable.
5 Rickie Lambert
We’ve definitely saved the best until last.
After somehow scoring 13 league goals in 37 games and signing for Liverpool Hodgson decided Lambert was the man for England’s plan B in Brazil.
One appearance and zero goals was the only realistic return you would expect from a striker like Lambert playing at the World Cup.
He went on to score three goals in 36 games for Liverpool and moved to West Brom as everybody came to their senses.
One of Roy’s craziest moments.